Wednesday, July 6, 2011

In Defense of Charlie Veitch AND 911 Truth

So, one of the darlings of the truth movement has switched sides. Charlie Veitch of the Love Police has publicly renounced his belief that 911 was an inside job after spending a few hours with experts representing the official narative, courtesy of the BBC. I'm sure it's only a coincidence that he was pre emptively arrested and held in police custody only a few weeks ago in connection with the royal nuptials. He spoke to Adam Davis and Max Igan in this series of videos. It's disturbing, to say the least.

Charlie makes some bizarre and self-contradictory statements in the second video segment, at about 7 minutes. When Adam asks him to account for the speed of his mental conversion, Charlie responds that he has to "stand by what he believes, currently believes". Then, in the next breath, he points out that beliefs are dangerous and says he no longer believes in belief. He also claims that his former conspiratorial view was based on nothing but belief. Yet, in the absence of positive proof supporting his new view of 911, he's just swapped one set of indefensible beliefs for another. So why the 180? Why not just say that he doesn't know what happened? We don't get to find out because Charlie changes the subject and starts comparing the truth movement to a cult. Something stinks.

Something smells like decomposing fish. What the hell is it? Oh, of course, it's the BBC. This is definitely the most interesting aspect of the story in my opinion. Charlie admits that he's "going to get in trouble" for mentioning the BBC's involvement. Nothing sinister, they just wanted it to be a "nice surprise". He tries to distance himself from the BBC by stating that they contracted another company to produce the show. The BBC are still the ones who conceived and are paying for it. So, this other (nameless) company contacts Charlie, invites him to participate in the show, and Charlie agrees, even though he knows it will be a hit piece. Next, this company (who aren't the BBC) foot the bill to fly Charlie to America and take him on a guided tour of the WTC site in New York, the Pennsylvania crash site, Washington DC, and Baltimore, but not the Pentagon or NORAD. He can't tell us what they said that changed his mind because "it would spoil the fun".

I listened to the whole interview twice, and the only new pieces of information Charlie offers are as follows:

1. Charlie says he now believes WTC 7 collapsed into it's own footprint at free-fall speed because chunks of concrete and steel hit the basement, partially hollowing it out, and then the building fell into the hole. How did debris hit the basement? Oh, never mind.

2.  The reason there is so little debris at the Shanksville, PA crash site is because the plane hit an abandoned mine shaft and the debris got embedded up to 40 feet underground. Other pieces, including the engine, "shot into the forest".

3. Charlie doesn't think powerful people would risk getting caught, because of the awful consequences they would face. Seriously? They get caught doing horrible crimes all the time and are never held to account. At worst they have to sacrifice a few of their minions.

4. Charlie says that there are 1,500 architects and engineers who publicly state that controlled demolition was responsible for the WTC collapses, and since there are approximately 1.7 million architects and engineers in the USA, that means 99.9% believe the official explanation. What?! No it doesn't. It just means that very few professionals in those fields are prepared to risk their reputations and careers in defense of the truth. We don't actually know the true opinions of the remaining 99.9%.

5. Charlie says he doesn't now think a false flag was necessary to justify the invasion of Afganistan, and later, Iraq. The PNAC group thought otherwise, as Charlie well knows.

I find it extremely hard to believe that such flimsy explanations could account for Charlie's massive cognitive dissonance and belief-transplant. I'd say there's a very high probability that Charlie Veitch was threatened. If so, he deserves our sympathetic understanding. We should not condemn his actions. Why should he sacrifice himself, or those he loves, to protect the beliefs of people who can't be bothered to think for themselves? I wouldn't. The evidence we already have refutes the official story. What Charlie Veitch believes, or says he believes, is truly irrelevant. If the 911 truth movement stands or falls according to the belief system of Charlie Veitch, or anyone else, then it really is a joke. Adam raises the concern, probably shared by many, that Charlie's about-face will discourage people from looking into the events of 911. I very much doubt that. Anyone who still hasn't questioned the official story, isn't open to doing so.

For me, it hasn't changed anything. I don't believe the official story because it's provably bullshit. I remember 911. I was suspicious right away because, in the week prior to the attack, while channel-surfing, I came across two programmes dedicated to Osama Bin Laden. One was "America's Most Wanted" and I think the other was "Biography". I thought it was odd at the time because I'd never heard of the man before, and then, only days later, America was attacked and Osama Bin Laden was immediately blamed, long before any evidence of his involvement could have been available. Nothing Charlie said addressed my reasons for concluding that 911 was a false-flag operation. Some of those reasons are as follows:

1. Osama Bin Laden personally denied involvement and specifically condemned the attack as morally wrong. There is no point in committing a terrorist act (assuming it isn't false-flag) unless you take credit for it. Real terrorist organisations always claim responsibility.

2. Evidence was manufactured. What kind of an idiot could believe that the passport of one of the alleged hijackers floated out of the plane, undamaged, and landed in the street, where it was found almost immediately and reported by the MSM.

3. Evidence went missing. Security cameras failed to operate. Air traffic control tapes were destroyed before they could be collected as evidence. If there is any video of a plane hitting the Pentagon, it has never been shown. Are we supposed to believe that only two security cameras recorded the impact (from the exact same angle) and both failed to show a plane? The person who posted this clip thinks he sees a plane, but I don't.  Most chain-stores have better security than that.

4. The aerial maneuvers executed by the alleged hijackers would have taxed the skills (at least) of experienced pilots, and yet flight school reports show the accused were incompetent to fly single engine Cessnas.

5. NORAD possesses state-of-the-art capabilities for monitoring North American airspace, yet somehow, even after two planes had hit the WTC towers, they were helpless to prevent a third from crashing into the Pentagon. The Pentagon!

No doubt, the BBC's new hit-piece will answer all these questions, and it's equally certain that monkeys will fly out my ass.


  1. Great post! I think we'll find that in the next few months, there will be more who convert to the "official story". When September arrives, I think we'll also be bombarded with a slew of media projects designed to silence the truth seekers, once and for all.
    They're certainly determined!
    But so are we!
    All The Best.

  2. Sorry to keep commenting... Forgot to tell you that I've added you're Blog to my "Recommended Blogs" link list on my page. Cheers.

  3. Thanks, Truth Seeker. It wouldn't surprise me if more converts appear, and their voices will be amplified out of all proportion by the MSM. Charlie did mention in a shorter interview with Max Igan, that 5 other "conspiracy theorists" participated in the show, but he wouldn't say who. Like Cypher, in "The Matrix", there must be people who are looking for a way to reinsert themselves into the program. Fortunately, truth is not a democracy. It is what it is, regardless of popular opinion. I don't know what really happened on 911. But I do know the government lied. I know they prevented a real investigation. And the number 1 thing that differentiates me, and all the other sincere truth seekers, from the repeaters of the official story is: I want to know. Right?
    Please don't apologise for commenting! I am honoured that you consider my blog worth following.
    In Lak'ech.

  4. Great post 13 Muluc. I agree with your thinking & understand that Charlie has most likely changed his mind to protect himself & family. I have done much research on 911 & have seen information that make sense. My research seems to indicate it was completely an Inside Job from the beginning, or which ever way you want to put it. Something always bothered me about what was stated by the media from the day I saw the first tapes of the event on the news.

    The only thing is that 911 event was JUST the START BUTTON of things to come. I won't get in to that now, but if want to know what I mean by that statement...just ask me.

    I have been personally intouch with Max Igan (he is a good friend I have known for a few years now) & have have spoken to Max on many occasions through Skype & Ventrillo about these very subjects. Max has some of the best videos out there. He tries to awaken people (the sheeple) as to what is happening in the world. For those that haven't seen Max's information, I highly recommend it.

    I have done a few post on the topic & have links on The DarkStar for those that are interested in see some of the reserach. I won't say that any single concept of these are 100% correct but when you put all the CLUES together, you can build a very strong case to see your own conclusion. It ain't that hard to see that some is very wrong! What you think?


  5. Thanks, DarkStar. I see CV's defection as a valuable opportunity to wake-up from and disable the follow-the-leader program. Any strong emotional reaction to CV's apparent belief-transplant are a dead give-away that said program is still intact. It just wouldn't matter otherwise, and it shouldn't. As I said before, while we don't know what really happened, anyone with a working brain knows the government lied.
    You said:
    "The only thing is that 911 event was JUST the START BUTTON of things to come. I won't get in to that now, but if want to know what I mean by that statement...just ask me."
    OK, what do you mean by that?
    In Lak'ech.

  6. The information we are discussing may challenge your sanity. The intent is to liberate the reader. Liberation does come with a price: not financial, but it will cost you your belief system.

    Symbolic numbers are arrived at, and worshipped, using a simple clockface with its coinciding degrees. This also demonstrates why the Freemasonic inspired government of the United States, deep within the Trance State, was utilized in the World Trade Center attack. The connections between the Freemason 33 degrees, the 11th hour, and the FALL season which coincides with the 9th hour. The World Trade Center towers FELL, acting as a major subliminal, which will correspond to the FALL of the 2 BIG TOWERS, which ultimately, are the 2 BIG POLES, North and South, in the next and last 9-11.

    The Source & Inspiration Of The Number 9-11
    9 – 11 is the number of the FALL INTO DEATH. The first day of creation, according to the Biblical Old Testament and the Hebrew Calendar, is regarded as September 11th, or 11/09, or 09/11. This is the first day of the FALL, and according to the fabricated story of creation, it was the day when the FALLEN ONES – the mythological Nephilim race, rebelled against god and were cast out of heaven. What actually transpired goes more like this.

    The luciferian Mind – the egregore group of Thinking Entities, knew how to conjure up and manipulate matter, simply by THINKING A THOUGHT. This created the 3 dimensional reality we are now experiencing and everything we see is simply a THOUGHT manifesting as, what appears to be, MATTER. This is the real FALL INTO DEATH experience which relates to the numbers 9 and 11. 9 symbolizes the fall and 11 symbolizes death. The concept of CREATION wasn’t a springing forth into life, but a falling into death. With the initiation of the Thought Process, everything within this Process, (which is the 3D illusory plane), … DIES.

    The luciferian Mindset is the creator/conjurer of this 3 dimensional reality. When the heavens and earth were conjured up, humanity was also conjured up. The Old Testament speaks of Adam and Eve as the first man and the first woman, from whom sprang the world population. It was the luciferian Mind that conjured up this physical human body complete with 5 gullible senses. The human body is a manifestation of conjuring, or the Thought Process. The human body is an illusion, and a fabricated illusory being, designed to instill reverence, respect and worship, one human to another, but which ultimately creates an environment of MASS HYPNOSIS. Mass hypnosis persists, simply because the whole body of humanity is an illusion, and this illusion called humanity is used to convince the Original State of Reality, that the illusion is real. Who and What we really are, is not this human form.

    We are the Original State of Reality and Eternal Wisdom.

    Humanity was conjured up to destroy awareness of our Eternal Paradise State.

    The Old Testament refers to one language spoken in the Mesopotamian region, and that God eventually confounded the languages which sent like-speaking people to the farthest corners of the globe. Interesting concept. Unfortunately this is another lie. Everything you see, including our physical bodies are just illusions. They are mere veils of deceit stuck together with 5 senses. If you remove these 5 senses you would re-establish your focus on the Original State of Being, which is Wisdom.


  7. Quote from the Old Testament:

    Genesis 2:8,9: god planted a garden eastward in Eden…there he put the man … v.9 … the Tree of Life also in the midst of the Garden … and the Tree of the Knowledge of Good and Evil.”

    The luciferian God has an illusory Garden with two special trees in a place called Eden. One tree has life, and the other has the knowledge of good and evil. As early as Genesis chapter 2, luciferian TREE symbols are already in place to manipulate humanity to be used in creating the veil of deceit, which has been designed to destroy our ability to recognize what Reality is. What’s the purpose of speaking with secretive tree symbols unless the intent is to instill confusion and deceit! Why attempt to try and create a MYSTERY?

    There was no tree of life.
    There was no tree of the knowledge of good and evil.
    There was NO GOD!
    … and there was NO EDEN!

    This is simply luciferian wordplay, or LIES, to supply the intellectually indoctrinated, the necessary tools to use the 3 dimensional sphere, and in particular, the illusory body of humanity, to disconnect us from Reality, thereby, attempting to control the incredible power of the Eternal State of Being.

    In Genesis 6:4 – “… there were giants in the earth in those days; and ALSO AFTER, when the sons of god (referring to the luciferian Mind as god, and his sons are the Thought Forms generated by the Thought Process) came in unto the daughters of men, (these Thinking Entities had sex with conjured up human women) and they bare children to them, and the same became mighty men, men of renown”.

    In the early days of this 3 dimensional illusion, there were giants in the earth. The word “giants” is translated Nephilim, which means the FALLEN ONES.

    This Bible scripture referring to the Nephilim as the FALLEN ONES, is a direct subliminal, corresponding to the World Trade Center Attack of 9-11.

    FALLEN = FALL, or 9
    ONES = 1 and 1, or the number 11
    Not only did they exist in the world in those days, but they did after that time as well . These mighty men, the offspring of these Thinking Entities and the daughters of men, became the rulers of ancient Babylon. These are the intellectually indoctrinated elite who are used by the very luciferian Mindset that conjured them up. They have controlled the world under the guise of being the divinely CHOSEN PEOPLE of God. These are the royals, popes, presidents, prime ministers and powerful movers and shakers behind the scenes, … the INTELLECTUALS of the WORLD, that are used within their deep hypnotic Trance State to control every aspect of this illusory world.


  8. The World Trade Center attack was the beginning of the final assault on Reality. This is significant in that the East and West entrances on the new Freedom Tower will both be 30 feet wide, to commemorate their construction as part of the plan and to symbolize the uniting of the east and west as ONE in the New World Order, the Kingdom of God, the Age of Aquarius, and all UNITED under the One World Religion called the ENVIRONMENTAL GREEN MOVEMENT.

    The North (throne) entrance will be 50 feet wide. Symbolic of the number 5, or human sacrifice, with in-TEN-sity. The South entrance will be 70 feet wide in remembrance of the 70 years. Symbolic of the number 7, PERFECTION and COMPLETION, with in-TEN-sity. The Freedom Tower is set to open sometime in 2013. The actual date is still unknown.

    2013 = 20+13 = 33, the number of degrees in Freemasonry.
    2013 = 2+0+1+3 = 6, the number relating to the Sacrificer.

    All four entrances will be 60 feet high as a memorial to the 60 years from the sod-turning at the Pentagon to the actual blood sacrifice of September 11th, 2001. Again, the number 6 refers to the SACRIFICER, with in-TEN-sity.

    These dates and numbers are extremely symbolic, in that the Hebrew Calendar has SEPTEMBER 11, or 9-11 as the first day of creation. This date originates with the luciferian conjuring up Thought Process and the Old Testament is just one of their Holy Books. The fabricated Hebrew nation, in conjunction with what would eventually include Christianity and Islam, together became the Children of Abraham, and the DUALITY RELIGION of MANIPULATION.

    The next 9/11, comming in the near future, will be much much bigger...
    How about the 11 Western United States being the next target!

    Nuff said for now.